But for me, it's been particularly relevant in this moment, I think, is Jason Lemkin who does the SaaStr conference, he just tweeted it and said something about, you know, sort of once or twice in your life, you know, someone will give you a shot that you really don't necessarily deserve, and that you should just 100% you know, jump all over it, give it everything to take advantage of that. And also, I'm curious, like, how are you splitting that time between sort of growth marketing, and working on the product. Well, at those very early stages, what I mostly did was just do the work on the customers behalf. So I was I don't know what that squeaking was in the background. Omer Khan [6:10] Yeah, absolutely. And people keep asking you how big the market opportunity is and if your idea will scale. Although, eventually you do really start to, to it gives you a much better appreciation of when you actually have a place to live in a closet to put your stuff in a bed that is reliably comfortable. And I actually went through that years ago, to learn Ruby on Rails. I've really found it to be incredibly insightful. I mean, I think the if you go to the very first inkling of the idea was probably two weeks. So what will you doing to improve retention? So he also started learning how to code. It's been a while now. Yeah, no, I mean, really, it is I think it's about taking a longer view. Tyler Tringas [57:47] Omer Khan [13:37] Yeah, I think something that definitely keeps me going I have this theory that building a business is actually very similar to writing a novel, they both sort of require you to kind of get up every day and and keep kind of slogging away at this thing, without a lot of certainty that it's going to be a big success in the end. And what I really wanted was something that had a bit of recurring revenue. What book would you recommend to our audience and why? And that was about six months, that was mostly a process of just a little bit more of everything from the sort of growth side of things, and then, you know, massively increasing the average revenue per user. And to me, I feel like in particularly if you're going to be sort of, you know, quote, unquote, self taught, right, you're going to be not interacting with a class and an instructor, the main thing that you need is a really active community of folks out there helping each other, because you're just going to spend 99% of your time googling stuff, you're going to try to find the closest public solution that you can then sort of tweak a little bit to make it work for what you're trying to do. Omer Khan [5:29] And so I use the term bootstrap, even though, you know, there's been a lot of confusion over it, which, you know, I expected bootstrap to me has come to me like, even though this is very narrow definition of bootstrap, which means, you know, building the business without any outside capital, it's also sort of come to me as sort of cultural set of priorities and goals and values, right, that include things like, to me, I think, you valuing sustainability of the business over growth at all costs, right? I think, maybe my theory there is that our product, even though was very cheap, it sort of necessarily implied a certain amount of scale in the business, in the sense that, you know, if you are being distributed in 100 stores, or sufficiently numerous stores to need a store locator probably have a pretty decent sized business already, you know, you're not sort of one person prerevenue, who cares that much about $10, one way or the other. So the first and most important criteria is, are they aligned with what we're trying to do? Sure. Omer Khan [51:32] Okay. What it means is, you can take the traditional SaaS businesses and narrow it down greatly to a point where it becomes a small business idea. It's a fascinating topic. Tyler Tringas [52:36] So if they arrive on a screen, and even two people tell you what should I do with this screen, you know, I would go in and generate a one minute, you know, type, the edited screencast, saying, here's what you do with the screen, you know, and, and it would pop up. And if you want to get in touch with you, what's the best way for them to do that? I mean, I think it's a valid strategy for certain products, I knew that my product was delivering immediate value that was a substitute for lots of other expenses, in which case, I don't think it makes sense to have a free plan, you know, if you know you're saving your customer, thousands of dollars, you should just charge for it. Omer Khan [25:26] Got it? It's actually tutorials and screen casts, we're interested in that kind of stuff. But actually, I would like a bit of early stage capital to get me through the part where the business can't necessarily pay my bills. So you want to start a SaaS company, but people keep asking you how big the market opportunity is, and if your idea will scale. Tyler Tringas [6:07] Get my … All right, the travails of the tropical life. Tyler Tringas [19:23] But it did the basic job a year later Solarlist still wasn't getting any traction and had to be shut down. You know, this is the sort of playbook of let's say, you know, Baremetrics, who jumped on to Stripe when it was growing really rapidly. And just answer them as quickly as you can see, ready to go. So, if you already have good SaaS ideas, these trends will help you stand out from the big boys in the SaaS world. So I do think there's an over tendency, when you're building software to sort of want to just make the users use your product, you know, you spent all this time writing code and, and building this, this SaaS app. The first one was just you know, it was just ludicrously underpriced, which, of course, is something that you know, over when you put on your business strategy hat, you want to tell people look, you should probably raise your prices, and, you know, try to figure out what is the sort of optimal willingness to pay from your customer base, but, you know, when you just have a product that is so cheap, you know, but you're also solving the problem, just very hard for people to really meaningfully complain, you know, I know, that's not a universal truth. All rights reserved. Yeah, it's hot and sweaty in here and there's a tropical bird out of my window. So he started doing more freelance work and putting more time into his StoreMapper side-project which was now doing around $1000 MRR. But that wasn't something you considered, Tyler Tringas [28:36] Omer Khan [53:11] And anytime someone would sort of post a a gig, for a developer to build them a store locator, I would sort of chime in and say, you know, apply for the job, you know, for $10 or something, and tell them like, hey, maybe you should use my SaaS product, instead of hiring someone to build this, this for you as a one off project. But yeah, when you're talking about 100 customers, or fewer, to get 25 customers that way, it moves the needle for you. Great. Tyler Tringas [51:38] If you do that every day, when you're writing a novel, you will never be stuck. And it also kind of, I think reframes a sense of progress on a broader timescale, right. And the business was entirely bootstrapped. And this episode, I talked to Tyler Tringas, General Partner at Earnest capital, which provides early stage funding for bootstrappers. So I, you know, I had to either build a custom for them on a reasonable time scale, or build the SaaS version and deliver that instead. But I think it's better to have a wider perspective. Alright, so I'm curious how much time you're spending on Storemapper at this point, you said you kind of went all in. How much was the business generating when you sold in terms of MRR. Great. What's a new crazy business idea you'd love to pursue if you had the extra time. But maybe you don't want to build a huge business. Tyler Tringas [35:58] And there's no way to find any, any group of them hanging out anywhere. He was a first-time founder and non-technical. We're you getting a lot of customer complaints or feature requests. And you're not you have no background processes running. But I was, you know, recently taught myself to code using freely available tools on the internet, probably starting that process, about nine months before I actually launched Storemapper, I wasn't a fantastic developer, I was doing everything on Heroku wasn't particularly sort of optimized. Omer Khan [27:58] That that part was implied. Omer Khan [20:31] That mean, there was no kind of, you know, trying to run ads or cold emailing people or anything like that. And then you start adding that, and then I would track, you know, and this is where sort of right when Intercom started to become, you know, a really, really full featured product with a lot of automation. So you've got it out there, you've got five customers starting to use the product? And that was a sort of traditional, like venture scale type of business. No, no, I mean, I was a hacker sort of frantically trying to keep my head above water, essentially, I mean, I learned to code because I'll say maybe two years prior to launching Storemapper, I had an idea for a a software business, my background was, in the clean tech industry, I have a degree in economics, I didn't grow up making websites on Angel fire or anything like that, you know, I was never really into to tech per se, other than as a sort of means to an end. Growing a Highly Profitable & Remote Micro-SaaS • RecTimes builds scheduling software for ice rinks. Tyler Tringas [13:00] We didn't get that noise in the back. So at the time, Storemapper was a classic sort of side project situation for me. What other criteria do you look for when trying to identify a company with investing in? And also, some mentors would be great. And he emailed some of his clients and within 24 hours, he had a handful of people paying him $5 a month. Omer Khan [41:47] And it's great to you know, hear your story about Storemapper and some of the ups and downs of that journey. So that was probably the most of the process there was basically growing that. I know, a lot of folks have the sort of opposite experience where they price their product very cheaply, and they get tons and tons of complaints, and then they 10X the price, get a totally different sort of caliber of customer. So we're talking about, you know, over 100 customers who are paying for this thing, which is, which is not nothing. totally reasonable, unnecessary, were you allocating your full time attention to it. Omer Khan [3:30] Great. So you're in just for people who don't know you're in Rio. And I essentially just allocated a reasonably small budget in the scheme of things call it, I would say, certainly less than $1,000, probably much less than that, probably closer to $500, of buying just every ebook and screen cast course I could get my hands on. Because, you know, they're, they're humans, and they have other things they can do in their lives. Tyler Tringas [4:28] Omer Khan [33:20] But this sort of entire wasted year of my life, maybe sort of quite motivated to say, well, I'll just try and build this product. Omer Khan [2:54] And it's 30 bucks a month for like power email users that I think is also still in our wheelhouse, or people selling through tutorials and education on a subscription basis. That's Earnest within a EA, not Ernest Hemingway. It's great. Omer Khan [3:34] You know, I mean, it just lacked everything accepted. And how long did it take you to go from that flight, where you built the MVP, to the point that you ended up selling the business? And maybe some of those people will actually sign up. Omer Khan [19:08] He was a first-time founder and non-technical. I don't know if that's a specific attribute. Profitable Micro-SaaS Facebook Like Tweet LinkedIn Email For small business owners or those with a particularly niche market, the operational costs of a SaaS-based model can prove intimidating. The way to get profitable startup idea is not to try to think of startup ideas (including SaaS development). What is that product? And then eventually, that sort of translated into something that we added in, we had a customer support team, which was really tightening that loop, which was sort of every customer support inquiry, you know, it's not just a question of how do I solve this problem for the customer? So how did you get the word out? Yeah, yeah. Is there you know, a missing kind of nuance to one of the Help Desk articles that would help people not have to contact support in the future, and creating that sort of virtuous cycle where you're really thinking about every problem? So I'm not really interested in an ads based social network for preschoolers or something. And we get a huge percentage of those. We analyzed existing startups and venture fund news to get you the list of the most profitable SaaS ideas on the market – take a look at their positioning and execution. And because I had this sense that I needed to sort of know enough to be dangerous enough to not sound like an idiot, you know, or to be able to go one layer deeper when discussing technical constraints or features that should be built. Tyler Tringas [12:37] And if building that type of business appeals to you, then you're going to love this episode. That's right, robust, a company that is calm companies, right. And I find it sort of wonderfully meditative. And the people who end up being diehard are the ones who actually pay you, I don't think my product fit that profile. Tyler Tringas [11:12] Tyler Tringas is a General Partner at Earnest Capital which provides early-stage funding for bootstrappers. I'm pretty open about my life. Tyler Tringas [38:55] So what gets you out of bed and or inspires you like you have a maybe a quote you can share with us? Why did you decide to focus on Storemapper? For me, I've been trying x.ai, which is a sort of scheduling tool that has a mix of personal assistants and AI to help with that, I'm still not doing a great job of it. Building SaaS is a challenge and you always need some inspiration. And then I started just basically sort of trolling the forum. So that was kind of one one trick, just to just about focusing on it, to be honest. But that seems to me to be a common one. One thing that I did do, which I don't know if it would work these days, but I also, you know, because what I was doing was a substitute for something that you might hire a developer to do as a custom project, I did set up a sort of alert on all the different kind of jobs platforms, like Upwork, which was like, Odesk at the time, and that sort of thing. Omer Khan [24:08] For this reason, we compiled several SaaS trends to prepare you for the curveballs that the industry might throw at your business. Omer Khan [15:12] I mean, I think, let me just look it up. And I'm doing the best I can. And, you know, one of the things I think is just sort of an I think, oh, man, forget the author's name, there's a book called Don't make me think, on sort of web design and user experience. Content Planner. Tyler Tringas [15:06] Yeah, I mean, well, how use one of the pretty classic cheats, which is to, you know, to sort of latch on to a fast growing platform. If you already have a successful Micro SaaS company, leave a comment below if you want to share your own insights to help our budding Micro SaaS business owners. Okay, cool. My DMs are open there for you know, sort of quick inquiries, but yeah, I mean, I also love getting email. 10 Ideas That Can Get Your Micro SaaS Business Started Get inspired by these Micro SaaS ideas that can jumpstart your business in this “New Normal” economy. These are some of the certifications you can work towards achieving if you want to run your own Software as a Service (SaaS) company; 1. If you enjoyed this episode, then head over to iTunes and subscribe to the podcast. Cheers man! And that would win the jobs, and then get paid to sort of learn how to do the project, and then deliver it to the client, which is a great way to wear to code, actually, it's both really excellent motivation hack, and you you get paid to learn. Where was the majority of the traffic coming from? Secondly, if you need help building, launching and growing your SaaS business, then check out SaaS Club Plus, it's a premium membership and community designed to help you get the insights, motivation and support you need to succeed. But we started to get a bit of a loop there were, you know, every new customer that came on board actually made it incrementally more likely that they would kind of essentially refer us customers by other people seeing their store locator and, and then deciding they wanted one for their website. My name is Brad Costanzo, and as a serial entrepreneur with experience in SAAS ownership and development myself, I thought these ideas would help you when you're a bit stuck. The entrepreneurship industry in today’s time is highly trending. And then, you know, basically just, this is sort of a benefit of our product, which I kind of often tell people to look for when they're thinking about business ideas is, you know, it's kind of a set it and forget it product in the sense that, you know, you have to set it up, you have to install on your website, you have to upload all your locations, but, you know, you probably go back maybe once a quarter and update the locations, otherwise, you're just going to keep paying for the product in perpetuity. Tyler, welcome to the show. So here are 20+ profitable micro SaaS ideas for you; 1. Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10). Tyler Tringas [20:52] First, I think is, it's really powerful. I'd also make the argument that if you are in the one man SaaS space that would be a very profitable and very worthwhile endeavor to embark on. How To Find The Profitable SaaS Product Idea Think of it this way when you’re looking to start a SaaS company or maybe when developing new features for your SaaS product. It was about five years in total from the first line of code to selling the business. Omer Khan [38:31] So when you decided that you wanted to learn to code? Yeah, yep. And then kind of generally expanding out from there, maybe on a couple of different metrics, but not too wildly different. And I'm just passing all over it. Omer Khan [52:12] Micro-SaaS: The Definitive Guide for 2021 Welcome to my Micro-SaaS Ebook where you will learn how to build, launch and market a profitable micro-SaaS business. And it was definitely the most profitable line of code that I wrote in the entire five years. Yes. Firstly, I've created a great resource for you called the SaaS tool kit, which will tell you about the 21 essential tools that every SaaS business needs, you can get a free copy of the toolkit by going to thesaaspodcast.com. I mean, I like email. And we're starting to be able to charge something approximating market rates as a sort of Ruby developer for ecommerce businesses and had a couple of city clients and had a lot of debt I was trying to pay off quickly. I think if you're a kick ass software developer you build and launch a lot of different SaaS products to some degree. Basically, anytime that someone would have a problem, instead of sort of bashing out like, you know, check the FAQ, right, or, like, here's the link to the FAQ article, I would first just do it for them, and then also share the FAQ article so that if they ever came to something similar, you know, they would sort of have that for reference, but just solving the problem for them. Hand-picked, validated SaaS ideas delivered straight to your inbox 1. A micro-SaaS business is a micro version of a regular software-as-a-service business. And also kind of finding out more about what you're doing with Earnest Capital. I never had a free plan. So this is derived a lot from Jason Freed, and Dave Heinemeier Hansson they're all of their books, but including the most recent one doesn't have to be crazy at work, you know, that, that when you're bootstrapping these businesses, you want to build a calm company, you want to build a certain amount of slack into the business so that you don't have to, you know, drive your employees and your customers and every run right to this sort of bleeding edge of their capabilities. Tyler Tringas [33:33] Tyler Tringas [39:23] Okay, cool. Or did you just keep doing the same things that we talked about earlier? Cool. Tyler Tringas [3:32] 40K MRR. I would say that I didn't think I ever really exceeded 40 hours a week on Storemapper, because I was steadily becoming a better and better freelance developer as well. Tyler Tringas [46:17] So it's really, you know, adding material value, but it's not technically software, right. Many entrepreneurs that have SAAS related businesses say they happened upon their businesses from a problem they once had. But yeah, I highly recommend it. I'm your host Omer Khan. All right. And Tyler was left with over $50,000 of credit card debt and uncertainty about his future. Tyler Tringas [8:42] Yeah, I mean, I would say after I shut down the other startup and was focused full time, on, you know, storm mapper and freelancing, it took about six months to go from 1000. Right. And there was sort of one or two things that were incredibly old and very bad. Yeah, no, definitely. And so we're looking for stuff that is generally in that, you know, circle of competence. So we have around 30, incredibly experienced founders and operators that are both sort of invested in your long term success as a part of earnest and there to help you along the way. So this was about six and seven years ago, and the Shopify store Shopify itself, the platform was was growing extremely rapidly, they were adding tons of merchants and almost everybody needed some amount of kind of tweaks, little frontend tweaks to their themes, or, you know, little custom apps to sync to their inventory management system or something like that. Well, can you talk about that? Like, what's it about who you trying to help? No, no, it was really bad. So at that point, Storemapper was doing around, I think, maybe $1,000 a month in revenue, and so that it'd been going for, I'm gonna say somewhere between six and nine months, but I just completely ran out of money. And we were the only store locator app in the App Store. Omer Khan [45:50] Let's talk a little bit about Earnest Capital, which is your current gig. It's, you know, is this something that we should be pre solving for every other future customer, right? Omer Khan [22:55] And then you also blog at tylertringas.com, and people can find a bunch of great content there and more about your story with Storemapper. Yeah. So if people want to check out store map, or they can go to storemapper.co, Earnest capital, head over to earnestcapital.com. If you're on the fence and thinking about it reach out to me, and I'm happy to answer any questions or concerns about the digital nomad sort of thing. 1. And I would love to build a sort of slow personal CRM that was really focused on maintaining relationships in that kind of way. And to know what will happen next. You know, you just opened up a can of worms, and I think we could have a conversation just about this topic for this episode. But like, you know, sometimes that could be a good way to get the word out there. Nice. Did you have a free plan? So anybody who searched there found us. Because it's a it's a topic that's really of interest to me, as well. Omer Khan [57:51] Omer Khan [6:58] A year later, SolarList still wasn't getting traction and had to be shut down. So so one of the things I often Hello folks at this very early stages to really look for places where your customers congregate, and sometimes there isn't one. So it made sense to really invest a lot of energy into the onboarding side of things, because they had a very high degree of confidence that if they got to those milestones, that they would stick around and have a really strong sort of lifetime value. Awesome. What's the best piece of business advice you've ever received? Great. So maybe you should open a store in Berlin. So that yeah, I mean, I think we were still attracting that same customer base if our product had cost $100 a month or something, but we just got good customers. Did, you know technically do what it was supposed to do? I scrapped and scrambled my way to building and ultimately selling a profitable SaaS business. And we also provide a sort of large ray of mentorship for the founders that we back. People paid for it. So scheduling meetings is pretty much a nightmare. So I mean, that included stuff like, I wouldn't build features until they were just absolutely necessary. But it's not like there was a huge amount of search volume for that. And the other thing was being a very front and center that I was a sort of, you know, so low indie developer, actually, in the footer of the web app, there was just like my face from a shot of me in Bali, with monkeys in the background, it was just sort of like, Hey, you know, I'm Tyler, I'm one person, I run this entire product myself, and thank you so much for paying for it. So So an example might be a sort of pro zoomer paid SaaS business, like, superhuman for email is getting a lot of traction right now. I don't know if this is the best, just broad base. Omer Khan [55:51] And I think there's a lot there in terms of thinking about building a business about work, and personal life about how much you should hustle, how much you should rest. So it was tough to kind of get more eyeballs until we kind of realized or I was just sitting there thinking, looking at the analytics side of things and saying, well, the total views on all of the store locators on our customers websites is like a million a month, maybe I should add a little powered by storm have heard link on all of those. But maybe you don't want to build a huge business. Companies are always in need of an application to plan daily content for social media or marketing projects. These solutions can include notifications, reports, task flow, and so on. Yeah, Storemapper is a product that is essentially store locators as a service. So you went from having this idea to building the product and getting customers? They are yours to copy and use freely, however you please. 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